Author Topic: Feeling left out? (Read 11182 times)

bendover90 · « **on:** February 11, 2011, 11:51:17 PM »

hey guys.

have you ever been bouncing about quit happily then a pro turns up and starts to flip.

this is not only very intimedating to some people, its alos very demorilising when the pro tries to force you into somethign you ARE NOT CONFORTABLE with.

i am learning to flip curently, not for showing of benefits, but for the challenge. but am feeling that there are to groups of bockers, the guys that can flip, and the guys that cant.

and i see this all the time at meets, 2 seprate groups, regardless of wethere there wearing the same Team Colours.

Let me know if you feel the same.

Ben

GIZMOQUEEN · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:32:02 AM »

Ben your not the only one that feels this way.

GIZMOQUEEN · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:35:29 AM »

then again not all people that are skilled bockers make a divide between them and newbies to the sport.

GIZMOQUEEN · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:50:21 AM »

I been wondering whether to say anything here,,,,, but this is really bugging me!!!!

I was told a experience bocker (will remain unnamed) told a newbie "Wrist guards are for pussies". I think It is highly irresponsible to tell new people coming into the sport not to wear safety gear. If they had an accident who would be to blame?

them for listen to bad advise or the person/ persons giving it?

Paul-Self · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2011, 02:11:41 AM »

I believe this is somewhat aimed at the EA's on one level or another to do with the Lincoln meet so here is my 2 pence worth. Ever since i have been bocking and been to meets their has always been a divide to some extent between certain people which has very little to do with flippers and non flippers and more to do with friendship circles.

At the start of the meet Greg did introduce us to the new bockers and said that if they needed any advice they could come and ask us and we would do our best to help them. But throughout the meet chris spent most of his time teaching them so we wernt needed so we just did our own thing.

I know when im at large meets / any meet really i hang around with certain people because they are the ones that push me to try new things and the ones that are are good friends who i have learnt to powerbock with, some of wihich i have known for over 3 years now. I admit i am probably guilty of not spending enough time helping others to learn things as the next person, I am always willing to help someone learn new tricks and help them with their technique but you have to ask for that help, as wen i am at a meet i still want to push myself.

I feel as a lot of people on the site have been doing the sport a while now you will always find friendship circles, and i strognly believe their isnt just groups of flippers who dont want to help / talk to non flippers. We were all newbies once but on the other hand wen i was new i would ask quiestions to the guys flipping because we were in the same situation at one point with goups of flippers wen we couldnt flip but its about how you deal with that situation if you stand back and dont speak to them or ask them for advice or help of course they are going to continue to do their own thing in their friendship circle. You need to be talking to them and asking for adviice. When i couldnt flip i didnt find it intimidating watching others do it, it just made me wanna learn to do it more and to push myself to achieve it.

I look at it as if you were to go out to a nightclub with a group of friends you would probably spend the majoity of time with them throught the evening.
I do understand that some people are extremely sociable and will make a effort to go round and chat to new people and teach them things without asking but generally when i am at a meet im focused on doing what i love powerbocking and pushing myself to learn new things.

So instead of constantly making digs and making assumptions at the EA's maybe try and get to know us a bit and get involved with us when we are at meets.

I dont know who told someone not to wear pads and dont condone this one bit as safety should always be paramount doing a sport like bocking.

I also have no recolection of anyone forcing you to try any flips. I just mentioned that you would get them if you keep at them and that a large part of it is down to confidence, If someone was forcing you and i missed it then i apolgise.

Sorry if any of this sounds harsh or offended anyone but its very rare that one of my posts exceeds 2 lines! but i felt strongly about this topic.

Paul.

Greggles · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2011, 08:52:35 AM »

i agree with paul im not going to get much into this because my spelling is not grate so if u wanna argue with this come do it face to face but if u look at it you can be accused of doing some irritating and out of order things to like mm i dunno the time u came down to ipswich to are gymnastic centre where we train every week and had a massive pop at them for not being open because the snow was so bad the instructors couldn't get there and then came out being all big man and i quote "haha that was well good i just had a massive go at them what doush bags" tbh you were a guest in ea territory that night and you made yourself look a fool in ea "colours" as u put it and caused a bad relationship that we had to sort out after the snow had cleared in the following weeks

and at Lincoln i did say give it a go and you refused and i didn't bother you with it again i really don't know what your problem is tbh i think some one is twisting your mined as they had a bad relationship with a member of are group

we tried to accept you like we do with every one but until you get your mined set right i don't think u will ever be one of us

Greggles · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2011, 09:06:27 AM »

and tbh ben if you don't like this group theres no one forcing you to be in it or where you vest thing with are logo on it

carlgreen · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2011, 09:48:19 AM »

im gonna be back after work to comment on this

Biohazard · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2011, 12:28:50 PM »

Quote from: Greggles on February 12, 2011, 08:52:35 AM

i agree with paul im not going to get much into this because my spelling is not grate so if u wanna argue with this come do it face to face but if u look at it you can be accused of doing some irritating and out of order things to like mm i dunno the time u came down to ipswich to are gymnastic centre where we train every week and had a massive pop at them for not being open because the snow was so bad the instructors couldn't get there and then came out being all big man and i quote "haha that was well good i just had a massive go at them what doush bags" tbh you were a guest in ea territory that night and you made yourself look a fool in ea "colours" as u put it and caused a bad relationship that we had to sort out after the snow had cleared in the following weeks

and at Lincoln i did say give it a go and you refused and i didn't bother you with it again i really don't know what your problem is tbh i think some one is twisting your mined as they had a bad relationship with a member of are group

we tried to accept you like we do with every one but until you get your mined set right i don't think u will ever be one of us

Sorry but this post came off a bit as 'smug smug smug, we are elite, you can't be one of us'.
You're being really defensive even though Ben didn't even specifically say it was the EA's he was talking about?

Greggles · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2011, 02:12:46 PM »

Sorry bio but you dident see his post on facebook the other day so we know what he is talking about and I wasent saying we are the elite at all or trying to be smug right now I'm at work and on my phone so I will be back to coment on this further after

Locky · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2011, 02:41:43 PM »

Probably best for me to stay out of this one but I do agree with what most of what paul says.

As an example, at one of the early lincoln meets all the welshies were there and it was the first time we met leon and he didnt know any of us. He kept getting in the way of people and some of the welshies started b***hing about him but none of them took the time to go talk to him, to say hello or offer any help. Eventually I approached Leon and I think because of that, Leon then became friends with all the welshies and a few other people in the community. I'm sure he'll disagree with that since we dont get along now but a lot of this weirdness at meets does come down to just going over and saying hi, getting to know someone or asking for help.

I dont really think Ben's issue is with people who can flip but I think he does feel left out of the group and that needs to be sorted one way or another or you'll just keep going round in circles.

JCDenton · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2011, 02:52:05 PM »

Whats the best way of learning to flip? I feel im ready to give it abit of a go but down want to land on my head lol. Is it really something you need to learn at a gym with big mats? If so i could do with coming to a meet with some people that can help. Im in derby tho and bocking events are slow here.

On another note, i think that the divide is the same for all sports ei: pro's/casual. The Ea bockers got me into bocking after watching there vids online and they are amazing at what they do. So far im running about, jumping on and off things. Its good fun.

webmaster · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2011, 04:45:00 PM »

I'd jus like to thank Paul on his post its very balanced & imo spot on. However I can understand how someone new or at a different skill level may feel left out. This is not something that is unique to Bocking, as with any sport you will find that people at different level naturally will stay within their own skill group and if they are friends they will do this more so. I do martial arts and the same applies here, not only to new people but those who have missed a few sessions seem to feel a bit lost and left out but I find that mostly its something thats in your own head and asking a few questions and mingling with others you realise that people will try their best to help. The other thing we tend to do now is as we go as a group of friends we try to partner up with different people as others who don't know the group outside of the session socially dont feel left out, as at the beginning we use to stick to our own friend circle but now we are comfortable to partner up and make up mini teams with any one in the group - but this does take time and wont happen in one meet!

Spud · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2011, 05:27:17 PM »

I can see why you may feel left out but I do agree with both Naz and Paul here. I think the issue with skill groups is a a point worth making but that said, I can't flip and I have never felt left out at any meet. The problem with gym meets in this sense is that different skill levels also use different equipment. I once tried to tackle flipping and when I asked for help I had all of it I needed. Just sounds like a bit of a lack of communication. I have only found the EAs to be a supportive bunch. I'm a wimp and even those that can flip take the time to help me do the easiest of things.

If you take the time to get to know people and introduce yourself I'm sure it will help. I'm fairly ok at saying hi to others, especially new people but not everybody is the same.

Jason · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2011, 07:16:00 PM »

I can see both sides of this argument as there are a few who are very good at tricks but not very comunicative or come over as a bit condescending sometimes

This is not always their fault a lot of the time as some may be shy (yes really) and others want to get on with learning or perfecting tricks and not answer the same question in depth 20 times in one session (even at my skill level this happens to me and it can try a saints patience)

On the other hand some people on both sides of the argument can be a bit intractable and rub people up the wrong way or be a bit short tempered at what they see as someone else saying something against them or theirs this is just people being people

It works both ways thought folks

If it wasn't for 2 experienced bockers pushing me I don't think I would have ever jumped down the steps at my first big meet and that made the day very special for me

I can also remember with pride Tok and Kentlee (both top bockers at the time) watching me double bounce down 2 sets of steps and saying "S*d that for a game" later in the day both were doing it but at that point for a short time I was teaching 2 people that I concidered to be far better than me (guess how proud that made me feel

)

The only difference was I had done it before

We all have to learn at our own speed and it is nice if we can all have fun together
But human nature will always cause this sort of discussion when a group of people get together
Not long ago Ben and a few of the EA's were after my tail for a couple of coments I made

now all seems mended on that front (at least I hope so

)

So lets agree to disagree and try to get along

Or I'll come to the meets and SIT on ya All

and at 18 stone it'll hurt

Jason

carlgreen · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2011, 11:43:54 PM »

i think everything that needs to be said has been said we are a close group of friends, but we are very open to helping people and welcoming them into our group.

GIZMOQUEEN · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:13:38 AM »

and at Lincoln i did say give it a go and you refused and i didn't bother you with it again i really don't know what your problem is tbh i think some one is twisting your mined as they had a bad relationship with a member of are group

I'm not twisting anyone's mind thank you very Much!!!!!!

Ben issues with the group are with him and you, and also my personal relationships have nothing to do with this.

I know I didn't socialise much on the at Lincon Meet. This was because of a person situation preventing me from doing so. I don't want to get into the 'ins and outs' of this on a public forum - hope you can understand.

I would of posted earlier but i've been very unwell all day

I hope this ill feeling can be resolved amicably I really mean that !!!!

I'm not the wicked witch from the south.

chocl8 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2011, 12:22:07 AM »

Sometimes encouragement can be taken for forcefulness...aparently, if so, and if its aimed at me or the EA's Ben, then i apologise for any misunderstanding.

Its frustrating when you know someone can physically achieve something, but then mentally can't break past a block. For example it took me an hour of yelling at Alex many insulting and derogatory things before he tried his first backflip.Which he landed. I also spent half an hour getting two friends to do their first trampoline backflips at gymnastics the other day, which they landed.

Also, Paul is counting.

GIZMOQUEEN · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2011, 01:00:41 AM »

Please can people sit down and talk (communicate), maybe this issue needs to be resolved privately?

bendover90 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2011, 01:24:53 AM »

ok 1

this wasnt aimed JUST at the ea's

and 2 it has come not come across thwe way i wanted it to.

i fi have ussues ill say, if i feel left out, ill say.

this was just meant to be an open debate, not AIMED at anyone.

theres a great goup of gusy in the EA bockers and i have no issues with them at all.

PEACE!

bendover90 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2011, 01:29:32 AM »

greg why the snide comment about katy.

shes got no part to play in this matter mate tbh.

i wear the vest casue i choose to, if you want me to to take it off i will.

im proud to consider myself an EA. i fyou dotn want me say and ill dissapear

GIZMOQUEEN · « **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2011, 02:44:45 AM »

Quote from: Jason on February 12, 2011, 07:16:00 PM

Or I'll come to the meets and SIT on ya All and at 18 stone it'll hurt

Jason

You know Jason, some people actually get paid for providing this service

I think it called crushing or something along those lines.

say aye, if you think Jason should be elected as the chief squashier!!!!! erm ... Or maybe if you were a super hero it could be ya secret super power - Super Jas, squashing all those who threatening to bring destruction and chaos to the world haha.

GIZMOQUEEN · « **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2011, 02:53:18 AM »

Quote from: bendover90 on February 13, 2011, 01:29:32 AM

greg why the snide comment about katy.

Because I apparently i'm trouble and not to be trusted

Oh well you can't have everyone like you, that's just life

Jason · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:41:46 AM »

I think Katy that the word is "Protection" or as the law calls it "Demanding money with menaces"

And we all know your trouble

I do know the feeling of starting a post like this Ben

A little bit of conflict is good for us all and makes people think about what they say and the way they act
Sometimes we can all say something or do something that seems very clear to us but is taken the wrong way

Most important thing to do is to sort it out and have fun Bocking

Jason

bendover90 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2011, 11:45:02 AM »

I have no issues with individual personalitys....none.

greta group of guys.

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Author Topic: Feeling left out? (Read 11182 times)