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Members Lounge => General Bocking Chat => Topic started by: Biohazard on December 04, 2010, 10:30:32 PM
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A candidate from "Wetten Dass...?" fell so hard, the show had to be cancelled.
Student Samuel Koch bettet that he could jump over 5 cars using so called "powerizers" (stilt with springs in them). At the second jump he fell head first on the ground and didn't move. He has then been brought to the hospital where they diagnosed his status as "relatively good for what happened". He is concious and can feel his legs.
After the incident, the show has been stopped for 30 minutes until the moderator said "we can't pretend to be happy when we aren't".
In the rehearsal everything worked out fine.
Looks like he got his technique completely wrong:
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This is terrible. Without that helmet I dont even wanna think what would have happened.
I just heard from Lothar that he is now awake and I hope there is no permanent injury.
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OMG!!!! That was a bad stack, fingers crossed he makes a full recovery
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HOLY BEEP!!!!!!!!
Ultimate face plant! that must of broke his noes or even snapped it off OWCH beeping beep beep :P
When was this? are there any like pictures of him in hospital or like after shots or anything? That must of really hurt :(
Aidan :Cwink:
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Weird to think how badly things can go wrong :S
DC
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It was broadcast live tonight in german Aidan so its a bit early for any other news.
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Ohhhhhhh ouch! that guy has a headache!
His face was practically flat with the floor would his helmet of helped him in that situation? I think he may of bust his face up a bit.
Aidan :Cwink:
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I think it was the top of his head that impacted the ground first, but im not sure.
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LOCK YOU KNOW THIS GUY??
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I wish him a speedy recovery and hope there is no permanent damage, however just reading what ExtremFlo translated from the footage on youtube, surely something like this you need to be very confident and have nailed it on rehearsals before you try it live?
"These were his statements to the samples in advance:
BZ: How did the rehearsals so far?
Samuel Koch: They definitely help and give some degree of certainty, but I am still skeptical During rehearsals on Thursday I fell hard twice.. The betting part does not work yet. However, the conditions are such that it could work in the show. And my team is great."
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http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/04/5580590-contestant-injured-during-stunt-on-popular-german-reality-tv-show-on-which-justin-bieber-was-to-appear
This is getting quite a lot of coverage
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That was awful. I watched it twice...but I don't intend to watch it again. I hope he recovers soon. Anyone in touch with him or his friends, please send our best wishes.
Poor guy. =(
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That accident was easily the worst I've ever seen on stilts, it looked horrific. combine that we the fact it was live on Germanys biggest TV show and the fact that Justin Beiber was going appear and is on Twitter praying for guy!! I hope he recovers but this is probably the biggest news story jumping stilts have ever got by a long way for all the wrong reasons. He looked petrified when the camera was on his face the whole thing was very nasty.
I think it will be a global story probably over the next few days with Biebers involvement. It just shows how real the risks are with performing these stunts, total nightmare a real window to the world at exactly the wrong moment.
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Ouch, I think the fact that he was wearing all the padding and armour you can kinda helped :S
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This video for me highlights the fact that when your on stilts you need to know your limits, and no when to say no thanks! Hope he is ok. The fact that the guy was doubting it and had a couple of hard falls in rehearsels suggests to me he should have never attempted it in the first place especially on live tv when you will be even more nervous about it.
Be safe and no your limitations.
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Yes the fact that justin beiber was going to perform is clearly important.
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I'm just highlighting the fact that his involvement will make the story bigger around the world. It looked bad I hope the guy is recovering, don't read anything into the comments his involvement isn't important other than news.
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I don't get why people making such big things about limitations etc... it all worked in rehearsals and they probably tried loads and loads of times and got it correct. Was just an unlucky and unexpected accident. Hope Sam gets better soon though, although he is lucky he got it on camera :P We always need proof here :D
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it all worked in rehearsals and they probably tried loads and loads of times and got it correct.
According to the information currently available which is just bits and bobs, he hadn't managed to successfully perform this in his rehearsals and had already fell hard twice. Its hit the UK news now as well, sadly there seems to be no real news on how he is doing today or if the operation was successful :(
On Sky News http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Samuel-Koch-Hurt-On-German-TV-Stunt-Show-Wetten-Dass-Student-Tried-to-Bounce-Over-Cars/Article/201003115848102?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_4&lid=ARTICLE_15848102_Samuel_Koch_Hurt_On_German_TV_Stunt_Show_Wetten,_Dass:_Student_Tried_to_Bounce_Over_Cars_
Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335851/Samuel-Koch-s-TV-horror-falls-trying-leap-moving-car-stilts.html
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I don't get why people making such big things about limitations etc... it all worked in rehearsals and they probably tried loads and loads of times and got it correct. Was just an unlucky and unexpected accident. Hope Sam gets better soon though, although he is lucky he got it on camera :P We always need proof here :D
All the best to him and his family, but this was outside his limits. Comment elsewhere from people closer to the German bocking community have said that he'd never successfully completed the stunt before the live attempt.
Dome just posted on PP that he's in a artificial Coma, not good news unfortunately.
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Just found this article which gives more information on his condition and it doesn't look good for him
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1603542.php/Man-hurt-in-live-German-TV-stunt-has-signs-of-paralysis-doctors
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I think its a bit insensitive to talk about whether or not what he did or tried to do was a good or bad decision etc. Lets just hope his condition improves.
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Locky, It may seem insensitive at this time, but that wasn't my intention, questions of his ability and whether a stunt like this should have been shown live are already been asked.
I agree that 1st priority is his health, we are all praying his condition improves and that we hear some positive news very soon, for both his and his families sake and everything else is secondary to that, however I do think its important to highlight the safety aspect for our members - that sometimes push themselves before they are ready and Paul gets it spot on when he says "Be safe and know your limitations"
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Sadly these sort of stunts do go wrong sometimes
Hope the Guy is OK and maybe when he recovers we could send him a card or something from Projump
It is a shame it has happened so publicly as that sort of thing never helps and can turn parents away from letting their kids have Bocks as they don't realise that this is the extreme end on the sport and the average bocker wouldn't even attempt a flip let alone over a car
Whether her was ready or not I must give him credit for even attempting it and from what I can see he cleared the car but over rotated
They often put people into a coma just to aid recovery so lets all wish him a speedy recovery
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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Totally agree with Naz and previous comments from Paul. My personal opinion is I can't believe that stunt was transmitted live,
5 front flips over moving cars!!!! I pray that young guy is OK but there's a fine line between what is safe and what is crazy. I saw Swebounce who is a professional acrobat do it once on video but over 5 cars live!!! Insane
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it does make you wonder what the TV producers were thinking.
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Your so right Locky... The only way an act that dangerous should have ever got on live TV was 100% success in rehersal, plus proven track record doing that stunt for a show as big as that in Germany.. It looked risky, the performer rearly looked unsure of himself, first flip was so low, second was a no go, third was disaster..
Evil Keneval did this kind of stuff in the 70's but remember he was alot older plus was getting paid a fortune everytime he did it, millions infact!! For a student this is f**kin crazy, a young life, its wrong nothing anyone can say to me will change my mind about this.. Its never worth risking your life people on these things remeber pleeease
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It's unfortunate and a tough one to call. I wonder what they had in place, what criteria of circumstances that would make someone say ok this doesnt look good, lets not do it.
I'm not a professional but the bockers I've worked with I know and trust very well as friends and as performers and I'd be able to tell by their body language, facial expressions and look in their eyes if they were not 100% and I would stop it without even consulting them. I guess thats different cuz most of the WB's are teens so I feel obliged to look out for them.
It's completely tragic and I feel so bad for his friends, family and colleagues around him.
I really hope he makes it through this ok.
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You know what really annoys me? The fact the daily fail are running a story about how Justin Bieber didn't get to perform, which is the story they are showing in their sidebar under "Don't Miss", whilst the actual story about Sam is buried in the depths of the website. Which is pathetic, since when did a lack of Justin Bieber take priority over a potentially seriously injured individual?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1335911/Justin-Bieber-cancels-appearance-German-TV-stunt-goes-wrong.html
I seriously hope Sam is ok and makes a good recovery, although a medically induced coma isn't sounding too great :Cconfused:
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Take this as a bit of free advice from someone a bit older than you. If your organising anything where there is the chance of injury never rely on instinct or looking into someones eyes. Everyone must sign a legal disclaimer if they are under 18 the parents and the performer must sign, I'd even record your explanation of the possible dangers to the performers. Someone on that show will be in serious s**te that you can be sure of, I know you'll say who the fxxx does he think he is but this is probably the best advice anyone will give you. Locks
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As sad as it may seem, a producers priority will always be ratings and money. With a show as big as this then there always going to push anyone to there limit.
Like Sprog was saying the actual accident it self was buried deep within the DailyMail website, there going to headline Beiber just so they get more hits.
Horrible isn't it, but this is the world we live in..
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Ok, a few additional facts for you:
1.) There is a starting discussion about the Show because....Samuel send in a less dangerous bet, and the Show works together with him to make the bet "more attractive" for the people. I don't know, which was his first bet, but the idea about jumping over 5 cars in motion was not from him.
2.) Samuel did not want a helmet! So each of us should rethink about protection.
3.) It's absolutly normal, that such kinds of bet will get a special live enhancement. So if a boy shows, that he can climb a house in 2 minutes....in the show he will get 1:45 or so
4.) The Showmakers said, they did all for perfect circumstances. Light and all other things are made to support him perfectly.
5.) They also said, to decrease nervosity for the live performance, they let him train 2 times with the audiance before.
I talk with a few people who know Samuel personaly, they said me, his timing is absolutly perfect. That's not what i saw in the TV. His high wasn't high enough, he was very nervous. In my analyses, he touched with his head the car and got an additional rotating force. Surprisly he showed no reaction and that's not normal for a guy who started gymnastics with an age of 6. Maybe he got irritated by the head check, I don't know.
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holy sheet hope this guy gets better at least he was wearing spine and tail bone prtection otherwise..it;s horrible to think would of beeb better if the headline was "justin beiber injured by man of kangeroo shoes!"
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You know what really annoys me? The fact the daily fail are running a story about how Justin Bieber didn't get to perform, which is the story they are showing in their sidebar under "Don't Miss", whilst the actual story about Sam is buried in the depths of the website. Which is pathetic, since when did a lack of Justin Bieber take priority over a potentially seriously injured individual?
That is exactly what was bothering me too, this story has only got the global coverage originally due to a tweet by Justin which made #prayforsamuelkoch trend on twitter, I think it may have got buried completely otherwise and would have had local coverage only, Daily Star is now reporting on it, but the angle isn't about Samuel as much but more about how worried Robbie Williams is about him http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/166128/Shocked-Robbie-Williams-fears-for-hurt-TV-stuntman/
The following article asks a few thought provoking questions at the end about the society we now live in.. http://thestir.cafemom.com/entertainment/113347/why_is_justin_bieber_praying
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2.) Samuel did not want a helmet! So each of us should rethink about protection.
There is nothing that will protect you from breaking your neck....... I hope he makes a good recovery
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it would be nice if the reporters got the name of the sport right. they probably don't even realise it is a sport with a massive Community of lovely people :) :PJR:
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The story is on page 24 of the sun newspaper today for anyone following it closely.
Will flick through the other papers soon and see if its anywhere else
Will probs put a lot of parents off.
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it's hit the bbc now, not that it makes a difference.
I really hope this doesnt put the whole bocking world in a negative light.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11925893
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It made the middle or just after in the Metro (London Free paper)
The only up side of this is it would be very hard to put an anti-bocking spin on this whole thing as there were so many other things involved
So lets all hope he recovers quickly and fully
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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I agree with Jason it does look bad yes but it wasn't the stilts fault he did it really it was he's experience and the situation if anything the stilts will just be advertised
I really hope this guy is gonna be ok I also like the send a hug card to him from us all that would be nice :)
Get Well Soon Sam :)
Aidan :Cwink:
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There is nothing that will protect you from breaking your neck....... I hope he makes a good recovery
Not entirely true. A neck brace and a full-face helmet would go a long way.
I imagine they suck to get used to. Visibility would be impared and movement would be reduced (that's the point). But once you did get comfortable with it you'd be able to do all the same tricks you can do without the protection. Motocross riders and some BMX riders have started using Leatt neck braces. BMX riders do tricks which require just as much movement and flexibility as anything we do on Bocks. I think Chad Kagy was looking into designing something as well.
So yes, it would mean reduced mobility (that's the point), a slightly restricted field of view, and an increase in weight (how much of an increase would depend on the materials, price & quality of the helmet), but I think ultimately it would be worth it.
A full-face helmet and neck brace are probably a bit extreme for your typical bock in the park. But I think they're a good idea for anyone testing the limits of what's possible.
They don't look too bad either.
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(http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/bikes-and-gear/protection/neckbrace-399-75.jpg)
It's mostly just BMZ racing and downhill that make use of it at the moment. But if Kagy can do his stuff in a brace, we should be able to do ours. =)
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So apparently I don't know how to post pictures. =/ If you want to see one just google Leatt BMX Neck Brace.
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The story is quiet big global news now, has anyone actually heard any news about how he is doing. I've had quiet a few random people phone me up asking about the accident because they know i used to sell them. Unfortunately in all extreme sports accidents like this are going to occur snowboarding, skateing, motorcross the list goes on. The problem is this accident was one of the most graphic i've ever seen on TV, most of these accidents occur in small groups or someone captures the accident on a mobile phone not a full production TV studio with millions of viewers.
I fear that because of this the sport will be affected and will be seen as a very high risk activity in the future, the typical TV apperances that have happened will be alot less attractive for these shows in the future. I hate to say it but if I was a parent thinking of getting a pair of stilts for my child and didn't know much about them that would make up my mind for sure.
Over the years i have been amazed something like this hasn't happened sooner and was always at the back of my mind at meets and events i've seen. Many Bockers do take incredible risks, its the nature of the sport at the extreme end as the envelope of what is possible gets pushed further and further. For me when i was first involved i always wanted to see the stilts promoted as a way of staying fit, running and doing a few basic stunts. Thats what it was like when we started but it has become who can flip a car, who can barani, who can back flip etc etc. I think this may be a time for Bockers to re evaluate the risks and stay as safe as possible. Sorry for the rant this is only my opinion.
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All we know atm is that he has just come out of a 2.5hour operation and is in recovery, doctors have not said whether or not he has any long term damage, but atm it looks like he got of very lucky :)
DC
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Today he has an additional operation because they must decrease the pressure in his spinal chanel. Now he is awake from coma but paralyzed in arms and legs. Must not be the last result. His Docs said...we can say final things in about 2 weeks, but not itm.
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OK Lothar gave me some more information for me to translate
Sam Koch had one operation and was found to be awake after being in a coma, he has since had a 2nd operation. He is now able to communicate with the doctors but only by using eye and slight head movements. His arms a paralyzed and his legs partially paralyzed. He is currently hooked up to breathing and feeding apparatus.
In 2 weeks he is hoped to start his rehabilitation, more news will be given at this point.
DC
EDIT* Doctors have said that they are hoping he leaves on his legs, and that from studying the video and other footage they believe there was more force than originally thought, causing him to rotate faster than he should have, any less then they think he would have made it, any more and it would have been so much worse.
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Thanks for the update DC & Lothar.
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I really hope he makes a successful recovery
My thoughts go to Sam, his family and friends.
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I wonder if sam koch knows about the forum i think he would be overwhelmed with the ammount support getting from the powerbocking community :Csmile: :)
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I wonder if sam koch knows about the forum i think he would be overwhelmed with the ammount support getting from the powerbocking community :Csmile: :)
Im sure all active bocking forums across the world will have a thread about the accident
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That's so terrible! Poor guy. =( It's a tragedy when anyone has an injury like this, but it's extra sad when it happens to someone who so loves to move freely and expressively. I hope he's up and jumping as easily as ever in due time.
Thanks for the pics fix Naz. I'm seriouly considering getting a neck brace, and I'll definitely wear my back protector in future.
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Yeah that sucked hard, as locky said the helmet really saved that dude, lets hope he gets better soon.
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to be honest i think same would be happy to see the thread because it really does show how much people care and want him to get better i am one of them but dont u think we need to put alittle bit about how well he did he wanted to flip a moving care come on that in its self it is one of the best things ever and even tho he fell and he had fallen prectising it he still did it the video to me shows that even tho u are scared you should some times take that jump because if there is some chance that u will come out of it walking u should feel proud of your self no bocker can say they have all ways not tryed something because they think they are gonna hurt them selfs i dont no if its just me but to me sam is a legend and he tryed something not many would :) and i no most people are gonna read this and thing i dont care but i do i do want him to get better and i do want him to be able to bock again i just think people should say get better but when u do do it again and this time show that car who is boss and walk out of it mate :)
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:approve: for sure yo
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Some news on Sam for you...
He has now been transferred to a clinic in Swiss, the clinic specializes in people being paralyzed. There is some hope that he will recover function of his arms and legs, there is no news about how it is going atm, but he is getting the support he needs and has very good doctors helping him. Just need to hope for the best now :)
DC
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I don't like the word "some" before hope. =( But I'm glad he's getting the best possible care. I would hate for such in accident to occur in England. Yay for free medical care and everything, but it feels like you get what you pay for here. =P
Keeping my fingers crossed.
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It made the middle or just after in the Metro (London Free paper)
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
That's a national free paper actually, you can get it in the Midlands and Leeds....I am sure you can get it from most of the larger cities.
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As the specilist from the swiss clinic said: The first two weeks are very important for the perspective of Samuel. They said, that he will not go and move like other people, but maybe he will go by himself sometime. That's need time. His vegetativ Nervsystems gots heavy hurts. And beyond arms and legs, this influenced all organs of the body.
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So he'll never move the same way again then?
That's a real tragedy. I feel so sorry for him. =(
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There is some hope of him moving properly again, but it is so difficult to say at this point, I think it will be at least 2months before the doctors can give an insight into what he will be like
DC
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can someone send me it please, it's private so i cant watch it :Cno:
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just look on youtube for german tv accident and im sure you'll find it.
Last I heard, he's going to be paralysed :(
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That's some really sad news.
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Hope is the last thing, which will die.
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It's not unheard of to recover from such injuries. But it will be a long road to recovery.
Best of luck to him! I hope he has the best possible new year.