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Title: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on March 31, 2008, 10:13:52 PM
Ok. Well, I thought you all, rather than rejigging the old logo, deserved a whole new one. This is what I have come up with. I always wanted to go along with the striking look and I feel this still does it. Let me know what you all think.

The Invicta Horse will also be being redesigned as a tribal image.

Tribal Z Design 1
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/Carma1313/ZTribal04.jpg)

Tribal Z Design 2
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/Carma1313/ZTribal03.jpg)

Tribal Z Design 3
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/Carma1313/ZTribal02.jpg)

Personally I think this gives the group a much fresher, more modern look. Opinions much needed!

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Athoul on March 31, 2008, 10:17:34 PM
Design 1 and 3 are the best, probably 3 is my favourite.
Design 2 is too plain in my opinion.

Can you put it with the rest of the text so we can see how it looks like that?
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on March 31, 2008, 10:21:08 PM
To be honest I don't want to fiddle around with them too much until a design is choosen as those took me two hours just for the disk. Lol.

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: GRS on March 31, 2008, 11:01:37 PM
:haha:
Ohhhh Carma you really do make me chuckle. You ask for what people think but then you don't take suggestions on board  ;D Personally I think the first one looks great but like Athoul it would be nice to see it as part of the design to get a better idea. A tribal horse would "kick arse" (this is the latest word my lad has picked up from school  :o)
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on March 31, 2008, 11:11:01 PM
:haha:
Ohhhh Carma you really do make me chuckle. You ask for what people think but then you don't take suggestions on board  ;D Personally I think the first one looks great but like Athoul it would be nice to see it as part of the design to get a better idea. A tribal horse would "kick arse" (this is the latest word my lad has picked up from school  :o)

GRS, I have already said I have spent 2 hours on these. I get a little impatiant when everyone wants everything, I feel I have gone further out my way than I personally should have already, the fact that I sat down and draw this design up, loaded it online, edited it, posted it. Yet still everyone wants more and more from me. I do not have the time nor feel I need to do anything further on these. If people wish to see them on the logo then they can easily edit one themselves. I am asking for opinions on the disk. Not the entire logo. That will remain the same. Putting it onto the banner is a complete waste of my time as it won't make a blind bit of difference to the overall look.

Also, just because I dont 'run around after everyone' doesn't mean I don't take ideas on board.

People forget that I don't have to do all this. I do all this work out of the goodness of my heart. I have built the website myself, drawn all the graphics, spent many many many hours keeping it up to date.

No matter what I do, everyone is very quick to critise me. People are also very very lazy, and expect me to run around like a headless chicken editing everything to near perfection for them. I put far too much work into this group I think, and people continue to push and push, expecting more and more from me. It really makes me dishearted and makes me think wether I should bother.

This isn't directed at anyone, its just my feelings on the situation.

I will load up the horse once I draw it tomorrow for you all.

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: GRS on March 31, 2008, 11:15:15 PM
:-[ whoops thats twice I've put my foot in it today, I wasn't trying to push you, in your own time dear  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: webmaster on March 31, 2008, 11:17:45 PM
My votes in there for logo 1  8)
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Dark Knight on March 31, 2008, 11:18:36 PM
The second one would look the best scale down ( simple is same times best ).
The first ones not bad but I'm sorry to last one looks a bit like melting snow ?
I'd think if you made the Z just a little bit smaller would make it work better too.

 
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on March 31, 2008, 11:19:14 PM
I know you wasn't, I just put a lot of work into it. I really shouldn't be doing anything like this right now. But I thought I would try.

Its ok GRS. Just everyone is always quick to critise me when I draw the line and say 'look, thats perfectly fine, I am not doing any more'. Makes me sad as I half wonder why I bother.

It's ok :) I know you didn't mean anythign by it GRS, I never ignor good valid opinion :)

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on March 31, 2008, 11:21:00 PM
I agree DK, design 2 wins when it comes to crispness and clarity.

However, my personal favourite is design one.

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Dark Knight on March 31, 2008, 11:23:59 PM
I agree DK, design 2 wins when it comes to crispness and clarity.

However, my personal favourite is design one.

-Carma
Odd as it sound ditto !?
Why not both ?
Use first for websites pictures and the second for T-shirts ( cloth would blurr edge anyway ).
You could use the last on Xmas cards  :biggrin: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: GRS on March 31, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
Thanks I promise to be an :angel: from this point forward or at least not put my foot in it again for at least 24hours  :biggrin: from what I can see the InvictaBockerz appreciate you so thats all that should matter. If the rest of us give you constructive criticism take from it what you want, if its just spiteful criticism ignore it, I know I would  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 09:04:33 AM
I think 1 and 3 look really good but as a logo I think 2. It's clear and simple and thats an imortant part of a logo I think. I really like 3 tho. Good job carma  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Nero on April 01, 2008, 09:50:44 AM
i like them all for different reasons, 2 tone logos always work well, so 2 would print out soooooooo easy and look real effective, but for "digital" use i think a cross between 1 and 3 would be fresh, i like the smartie effect of the first disk, but i feel if you then embossed the Z into the "smartie" rather than out of it, you would have a winner.
my 2p
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: hybrid_hex on April 01, 2008, 11:06:03 AM
Almost tempted to get you to design me a new tattoo!! they look awsome Carma! have to say 2, because its simple, but three would make good ink somewhere, I'm thinkin side of my calf would look good, could be seen then when im bocking in shorts!!!!  :Straddle5:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 11:09:11 AM
Almost tempted to get you to design me a new tattoo!! they look awsome Carma! have to say 2, because its simple, but three would make good ink somewhere, I'm thinkin side of my calf would look good, could be seen then when im bocking in shorts!!!!  :Straddle5:

traitor! You are an EA!!
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: hybrid_hex on April 01, 2008, 11:39:37 AM
Was still there for the 1st Ibz meet!! And I might get an EA on my back! so :P
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 11:40:52 AM
Was still there for the 1st Ibz meet!! And I might get an EA on my back! so :P

 :nana:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on April 01, 2008, 12:42:51 PM
Especially for Nero

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/Carma1313/ZTribal05.jpg)

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 12:44:03 PM
hey carma...I like this one best.
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Bbmthbloke on April 01, 2008, 01:54:40 PM
Well  2 ,as said simple ---go easy on Tee etc.

Tho not too sure how 'tribal' makes things more modern? And wasnt the point of the 'Z' that itwas the same font as 'Zurich', whoes advert inspired so many. So doesnt the 'Z' become a tad meaningless?

Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Opal on April 01, 2008, 09:41:56 PM
I think the idea is to move away from the zurich association, just enough so that we aren't infringing their trade mark (any more), especially if we start producing merchandise (t's etc). It would also be nice to be recognised in our own right, and have a cheeky association by catchphrase, rather than look like reject extras from the Zurich advert   :Dark_Knight:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Bbmthbloke on April 01, 2008, 09:49:54 PM
K,  tho  round my way  we dont have a prob with steven steiberg ( tho i do think we should upgrade to cuffs)


But still, for me  tribalism doesnt equate with modernaty.

Can you help? please? 

Mind im of an age where a 'dead flesh spectrum' was modern

The original 'Z' was times new roman  or similar, a freely available font. Nw roman, I personally will take as renaisance, high point, well just impossible to choose. But lets pluck for 1510. What more modern 'tribe' or trible theme is implied? Cavaliers? roundheads? Jacobins? Menshoviks?Falangists?Punks?Octoberists?Biafrands? Mods?white friends of africa?MauMau? White working class males? EMOS? Crusties?

 Doubt Zurich would have a stilt to stand on --even if they noticed-- but prob would quite like the nod :)


Un wasnt the whole point of the Z  the connection to zurich un that add?

So OK  avoid trade mark infingement or somesuch ( if there is such)  but to create a meaningless retro modern letter ( or rather a choice of 3 variations ( wow big choice) of a design that is by some prosess , that escapes me, more modern than its predesessor.


WE get an oddly shapped Z  erm to reprecent Kent?


Am I totally wrong to question this?

Z  for the garden of england  the home of christianity in england a few old coal fields ashford 7 oaks the white cliffs   is a tribal 'Z' cos its modern????!!!!
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Opal on April 01, 2008, 10:29:27 PM
Nor would we if we could bock half as good as the guys in the advert :P (I'm speaking for myself here, lol)

I don't think the tribalism itself is modern, I think it's execution (i.e. the metallic shuriken/mortal kombat look), does update the logo though. Taking modernism literally, I am sure you are correct. I don't think we looked at it with any more thought than to say it looks more modern because it looks metallic. That's good enough imho, after all, the whole point of any of this is the bocking. Bocking being, of course, more important than making anything but a comedic statement with the logo.

The uncopyrighted horses & Invicta name represent Kent.

I guess it's all down to personal interpretation though :)

The Zurich logo is, as you said, a basic font (Times new roman or similar), with a changed ass leg lol.  ;D  Even though the colour has been changed to red, they could probably have a word if we keep using the afforementioned bottom half (ass leg).
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Bbmthbloke on April 01, 2008, 10:34:22 PM
OK  but  loose the zurich  link  why the'Z'?

Wots it got to do with...well anything?

Nostalgia? mmm v modern?!!
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 10:40:07 PM
Dont forget that carma has put a lot of work into these. Howabouts maybe you try to design new logos and maybe by combining you may get a winner that everybody loves..just a thought
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Opal on April 01, 2008, 10:46:41 PM
@ bbmthbloke

I have NFC m8  :haha:

Maybe it's because the slogan will be retained? Dunno  :banana:

@ spud

Was that to me or bbmthbloke?
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 10:47:53 PM
Both of you!
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Opal on April 01, 2008, 10:54:08 PM
Well, I think Carma's done a perfectly decent job of the logo, and I hope my posts reflect that (at least, they were meant to).
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 10:58:18 PM
Well, I think Carma's done a perfectly decent job of the logo, and I hope my posts reflect that (at least, they were meant to).

yea...lol sorry if I got it a bit wrong...I quite like the tribal logo :) especially number 2 and the 4th she did
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Bbmthbloke on April 01, 2008, 11:00:43 PM
rm soz  no idea what last 3 posts actualy said  sorry im sure its me  too modern 1 suspects

As for the logos Carma redesigned them, quite nicely, yes  but why, for what purpose and to what end?
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 11:05:47 PM
So she didnt get sued
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Opal on April 01, 2008, 11:12:10 PM
Just to clarify, I think the logo will remain more or less the same, just with a slightly different Z.

So if you look at my signature, instead of the trademarked Z it'll be the tribal one. The horses etc will still be there, as probably will the slogan.

The logo in it's entirety isn't being replaced with a big fu3king tribal Z  :haha:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Spud on April 01, 2008, 11:14:01 PM
Yea thats what I thought  :spudT:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Bbmthbloke on April 01, 2008, 11:21:45 PM
So why replacethe 'Z'  the whole log rotated around it 

Im happy with  group that I am part ofs central design  Im begged for gym meets  i order other to get meets together beg a few to get the nerve to organise stuff  more shout  oi come here, flying of with 8 others to spain in a few weeks, thinking of stuff as far ahead as november



Just get some ib'Z'here to talk or out there bocking
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on April 02, 2008, 12:22:30 PM
Thanks for the opinions guys, it very interesting to hear what everyone thinks. Opal has it down to a tee.

Also, the reason why the Z is staying is because its now been established as the IBz logo. The red circle with the white Z in it. Also, I am not putting a Times New Roman Z in there due to the fact that it is a very out dated font which I personally greatly dislike... The tribal graphic, in my opinion, reflects greatly on modern times. Its crisp, defined, unique, and catchy. Tribal tattoos are something which, although having always existed, have in recent years increased massively in popularity. I also like the relevance to 'tribe' as I feel its something we could work into the wording on the website.

I did consider using the shape of the Kent County, or something significant. But I feel that is covered with the white raging 'Invicta' horse, and would actually distract from the sport which we are a team for.

I owe an appology to Athoul and GRS it seems as I badly worded the idea of the logo change on the first page, and I now understand why he wished to see it in its entirety. So, sorry Athoul, and GRS. As Opal as already said, it is only the Z disk which is changing. The tag line/motto will remain as I can't see us having too many issues about that (very few actually ever noticed the play on words and the relevance)

On another note. Can all the actual Invicta BockerZ write down their favourite design (Including Design 4 found here (http://www.projumpforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1872.msg25909#msg25909)) as its your opinions which most matter on the logo front, I will however still be taking everyone elses opinions into consideration! So if there is overwhelming majority on one we might still go with that.

I hope that cleared everything up.

-Carma

P.S. I am trying hard to keep the horse distinguisable as the Invicta emblem
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Nero on April 02, 2008, 12:28:08 PM
Especially for Nero

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee13/Carma1313/ZTribal05.jpg)

-Carma
niiiiiiiiiice Carma, exactly what i meant, that a winner for me!
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on April 02, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
I personally think that design is a little too on the grey side. But hey!

I am also hoping to incorporate the logo into the webpage backgrounds more. As much as I love the siluette of Tok (which will remain on the opening page) I want to try and pull the Z more into the site.

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Nero on April 02, 2008, 12:33:54 PM
slap a inner white stoke and a white inner glow on it, should brighten the z up
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on April 02, 2008, 12:43:50 PM
I think that might distract from the definition of the indentation. I will try it out tonight though, might work!

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Locky on April 02, 2008, 12:56:36 PM
Personally I think you are potentially going to have issues as long as you have the Because Bocking Happenz. Like it or not, even if its not strictly infringing copyright laws (which i think it is under intellectual property) I am sure if zurich did want you to change it, they would get it done. Either by asking you nicely or by taking you to court.
Kinda like the guy who had the itunes.co.uk domain way before apple came up with it. Apple takes him to court and mr judge says sorry mate, the big boys win and hand the domain to apple. It sucks but its life in this pathetic c**try.
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on April 02, 2008, 01:07:52 PM
I am pretty sure we will not have a problem with the tag line. It will fall on my head anyway and no one elses. But I am pretty sure they cannot say its copyrighted. Because its a totally ligitimate phrase. However, IF we did have problems, I would have to remove it, wether I like it or not. So.

It is something I feel is worth the risk. I don't want to change everything we have connecting to us.

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: toddy on April 02, 2008, 06:01:24 PM
well i like no3 looks the best, but for the tee etc and the sig's i think we should use no 2 as it is simple and stands out very well.

Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Dark Knight on April 02, 2008, 06:12:54 PM
Personally I think you are potentially going to have issues as long as you have the Because Bocking Happenz. Like it or not, even if its not strictly infringing copyright laws (which i think it is under intellectual property) I am sure if zurich did want you to change it, they would get it done. Either by asking you nicely or by taking you to court.
Kinda like the guy who had the itunes.co.uk domain way before apple came up with it. Apple takes him to court and mr judge says sorry mate, the big boys win and hand the domain to apple. It sucks but its life in this pathetic c**try.
If I remember this !? Didn't they rule that he known about itune and set the domain up because of that fact !?
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Bbmthbloke on April 02, 2008, 06:16:51 PM
well that ssets the precident for this then

But as I say --dream works have not sent the heavies round to see the JJ's   well not yet
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Jason on April 02, 2008, 07:59:53 PM
I might be missing something here but how about changing the letter to an S and keep the surround font and colours as they are can't see that they would have a case with that as Happens is a proper word as is Bockers

I know you loose the Z but it still makes senZe  :haha:

Jason  :Hoofies2:
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: GRS on April 02, 2008, 08:19:49 PM
I think the IB website ends with a Z so I doubt they would want to change that. To be honest I don't think Zurich will come knocking on the door.

According to this I don't think the Z is a trademark on its own anyway but I haven't had a proper look http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-text/tmtsearch-search.aspx it seems that the Z has to have Zurich with it as well to be in breech but like I said I haven't given it a proper read and I am no lawyer

Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on April 02, 2008, 08:22:56 PM
The Z is still a trademark.

But I am sure you wouldnt want the even slight risk of being sued hanging over your head ;)

-Carma
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: sidnell1990 on June 10, 2008, 02:56:58 PM
erm........i still got the old logo....u never updated mine...
Title: Re: Invicta BockerZ Logo
Post by: Carma on June 10, 2008, 05:16:42 PM
Yeah erm, I am only keeping track and on top of those who are active members, otherwise it ends up it in the half the members being people who only attend once every year or so. Plus, I feel we should all have priorities on our primary groups. Therefore, I will only update those who are in Kent. Sorry Sidnell.

-Carma